The SoSHit Hits the Fans
Again as Radio and
Newspaper Guys Attempt to Figure Out the Internet,
Caller going by Steve (who goes by ND
Boston and called in
the last time SoSH was a radio topic):
I've been a member for two years
(except he joined in October), This isn't
a bunch of shut-ins that are on this site (SoSH).
Glenn Ordway: Noo, (MF: Noo, NOT
S: There's lawyers, there's doctors,
there's very prominent TV writers out in Hollywood. (Brett: Everyone
loves porn)... no there are! You know...
GO: Well after you told us there was
porn, I'm sure there are a lot of respectable people, I can think of
a Senator or two that are probably members...
S: Well you're probably right
Pete Sheppard: What time is Ron Jeremy
night? ...(MF, GO, Pete, Brett, ND/S bust out laugh)
S: It's not a lot of shut-ins, it's a
lot of bright people to be honest with you (one thing I learned in
life was to beware folks who use the phrase "to be perfectly honest
with you" (we thought that went without saying)... you've got to be
knowledgeable in baseball (oh, we thought it was about soccer
GO: But Steve, you know we make light
of that, and joke about it, we don't necessarily believe that that's
true, right? S/ND: Yeah, yeah... I've got a good job and there's a
lot of folks that are just...
GO: What do you do for a living
S: I'm in software sales...
3.5.04 The Big Show on The
Big Schill - Glenn Ordway: "...Bob Hohler wrote a piece
about it (Schilling pitch to Millar) a couple of days
ago, and I am not one of those who believes everything I
read in the newspaper, and I like to hear both versions of
it... So yesterday we're going through this whole thing
about Curt Schilling, and I thought it was much ado about
nothing, because we haven't seen it. And Pete was ranting
and raving about it. So what happened was one of these
people, which they do on a regular basis OK, once these
people get onto these various posting sites like the Sons of
Sam Horn, and something is written about somebody, or
somebody's involved, and every time that Curt Schilling
posts on the Sons of Sam Horn, they send it over to us.
Everybody here gets it. So one of the members over there
("a mole") is sending a copy to Dale and to Neumy and to
me and to Teddy and to J.T. The Brick and everybody else.
Steve Buckley: So Schilling is
being dimed out by his own... (Pete Sheppard: It's like
some religious cult; Brett: It must be Scooter)
GO: So apparently Schilling
thinks that this stuff, on this membership thing that he's
on, when he goes on the internet, is supposed to be a
private little chatroom where there are only a few guys in
their mother's basement that are all sitting around chatting
in this conversation. But I think once you're on that, and
once these people start distributing it around, and I hate
to tell you Curt and all you other people that are posting
(Office Space sfx: "alt. nerd. obsessive.") anytime
anybody does this, we're getting reams of copies here of all
this stuff, most of it we don't even look at, because most
of it is not that interesting, some of it is. And in this
case, when you have a ballplayer of his stature, posting on
an internet site, it's extremely interesting, and when you
have a ballplayer, who is involved in something that was
written the day before in the newspaper, and now he's
ripping Bob Hohler, and he's ripping Greg Dickerson, and
he's ripping people in the way that they're reporting it,
and for the first time he gives the other point of view, his
point of view, which is something I think in fairness in
media you try to do, we don't always do it, we don't always
do it effectively (Buckley confused about today's posting
vs. yesterday's posting re: Hohler "I didn't read
yesterday's posting, I'm not a member!"). He gave what I
thought a pretty complete description of what transpired
with that Kevin Millar at-bat. He gave his point of view of
it. I thought in reading it, it is public information, it's
out there, people are sending it to us, that you would think
that he would want... and I don't care by the way, if he
wants to use this internet site to air his views, that is
his choice, he can do whatever he wants, he can go on TV, he
can go on radio, he can sit and talk to Bob Hohler, he can
sit and talk to you (Buck) or he can go on SoSH. I
don't have a problem with that. I'm not one of these people
that's gonna go around beating up on the internet. I think
the internet has a lot of valuable resources on there, and
there's some interesting stuff on there, and he has the
right to do that... (porn?) is there porn now on the
internet? You've gotta be kidding me. What is this world
coming to (Brett: What do you think we're doing all day
Big O? Pete: Jessica Simplson sites) well you're not
paying attention to the show.
SB: Do you know the 1930 census
is now downloadable... (sfx: "Waaaay Baaaack!")
GO: Buck, HOW DID YOU TAKE US
BACK to 1930 when we're talking about Curt Schilling and the
internet! Al Gore didn't even think of the internet back in
SB: No but you can download the
1930 census now, they just announced it...
GO: Why would I want to do
SB: Because you look up your
grandfather, find out how much money he made, what his
GO: Buck, do me a favor, this is
not Ft. Myers, you're back in the big time now, this is
Boston, you enjoyed your trip, got a nice little tan, burn,
whatever, back in the big time, so let me get back to this
thing... so I don't care if Curt wants to do it, on any
internet site, I heard him and I heard him again with Don
Orsillo last night, that it was one way to get his message
out, without it being doctored in a piece. You know what, I
buy that, I totally understand that. But then, he kinda rips
the people that are actually taking this information that
one of the members is supplying to every media person in the
Michael Felger: Well let's be
fair now... now let me say, that at the beginning of
yesterday's thing, the post, the thread, whatever he's doing
there, he said, I'd like to keep this amongst the posters
here, if you're a regular media member I'm sure you have the
access to me...
GO: I don't have the access, I
can't get there at 7:00 o'clock, I don't have anybody down
MF: THE POINT IS HE
asked you not to read it or reprint it
GO: yeah but
it's out in the public...
MF: OK WELL FINE, just say that,
he asked the regular media not to reprint it or rebroadcast
GO: That is ridiculous, (MF:
FINE, that may be) that is ridiculous, that is exactly
what my point is...that's my entire point if you let me
finish. Curt you can't do that it's ridiculous. Because your
members are the ones that are turning it over to the public.
He believes that he is sitting over there quietly in some
secret basement doing the little you know...
SB: Wait a minute, is Schilling
in his mother's basement too?
GO: He might be, I don't know.
MF: No, no, no he knows we're
all going to read it, but he thinks that the "regular media"
all have microphones and reporters down there and have a
different access to him, so therefore this is not for us.
GO: Well then why did I not read
or see anywhere his entire side of the story. Why was it
that yesterday (MF: Maybe no one asked him) on the
Sons of Sam Horn was the first time, and that's why I'll
give these people credit, the Sons of Sam Horn, they're
getting stuff here. He actually laid out, maybe he's being
honest about this, he has an opportunity to completely, in
his own words, give his point of view, what was, he may not
think this, but the way it was written in the paper, what
was a "controversial story." I thought it was overblown, you
know my opinion on it, but some people thought it was a
controversial story. Yesterday was the first time I actually
got his opinion. So how the hell does he think that the rest
of the world is going to find out about his point of view
unless it is passed along, and again, I don't care if the
conduit is the Sons of Sam Horn, that's not an issue, but,
is this not public information once it's out there on the
MF: You're entitled to that
opinion, I'm just saying that he asked...
GO: Did I violate the law? Are
they taking me to jail?
MF: No, but you did violate his
wishes Big O.
GO: I did violate his wishes,
but if says this to you... (Buckley asks Felger if it
were a football player posting information that you could
use for your copy, are you telling me you wouldn't use it?
MF: No, sure I would, certainly... SB: well then you have no
issue with what's Glenn's saying... MF: but I wouldn't omit
that fact here in your little diatribe)
Pete Sheppard: That's public
GO: I am admitting... that's the
whole point... he doesn't want this stuff out, and there's
no way it's not going to get out... because these people are
sending it along to somebody else. And how do we, when
blowhards like Pete Sheppard are sitting there blasting away
at Curt Schilling, how do we present the other side, his
side, without actually reading this. I read it yesterday
because there was another side to it. There was Curt
Schilling's side to it. He gave that story to the members to
the Sons of Sam Horn. The members of the Sons of Sam Horn
gave it to us and every other media outlet in town, and why
do you not want to hear the other side of it?
SB: Can I just add a footnote to
this? The Sons of Sam Horn, because one of the top pitchers
in baseball, is using their site to air his views, that
makes them a player in this market. Is that a fair
statement? (GO: Yeah) Because there's stuff there
GO: If this was a close knit
club, and all they were doing was having a little chatroom
and doing their posting, and they all adhere to that policy,
the members did, we would never read this stuff. We don't
have access to it. I don't think we have access to it. Do we
have access to it? (Brett: well Pete has his alias,
ChunkyLover228 or something)... so again, I'm going to
read this because now, he's ripping media outlets like us
(SB: Just you Big O, you)... well, and we're guilty. We
did this yesterday. I admit it. We did it. And he has thrown
the addendum in there, that he does not, he's prefacing all
these pieces by saying he doesn't want the regular media,
you know, stiffs like us (Brett: so let's go read it. MF:
That's exactly what you did yesterday), yesterday I did,
I did read it. There's no question. I'm not denying that.
No, today he doesn't have the preface. Today he answers to
the lawbreakers from yesterday (SB: This is like you
telling the story about flying back from Houston), oh
shut up, just shut up (Pete: only in this market, only in
Boston)... alright, let me
read this (goes on to read post from SoSH responding
to Dickerson and WEEI running/reading Curt's reply)...
"See we're not going to give them
(passwords) away Pete on the air, we're not gonna do that, because
that would not be fair to these people..."
- Glenn Ordway, WEEI
Highlights during post
reading... GO: ...'P&G might be the way to go'...(MF:
Which is what for them?) Proctor & Gamble? I have no
idea. (Brett: Stock market tip. Where's Jimmy Stuart when
we need him?) P&G, trust me, one of these guys will
throw it out there for us today.... 'I would expect the
dopes,' that's us, the dopes 'to have some issues with
that'... 'as for the groveling, I agree but not at anyone's
offense' (SB: What does that mean?) I don't know...
'I'm a member here, obviously a member with some different
credentials,' and by the way, that is... he's a lot
different than the other members because (Brett: he has a
wife, MF: he bathes) this guy posting here is Gehrig38, you
got Harry Hooper, or is he Gehrig38, you got kevlog, to them
we don't care, we're not reading their stuff, that's not a
big deal, they don't need disclaimers, don't worry about it,
we're not going to read your material, but this guy is, and
he admits it here (Brett: (Can) we just hear something
'Anyone else think it's funny to
check the MFY (MF: what's that?) we're not going
there chatboards off the BDD (haaa laughing at all the
acronyms) link and see them react the same way that you
all do to MFY news, hilarious' (Brett: Geek code, I'm
gonna get Jimmy Stuart in here to decipher all this. MF:
what's P&G, have we figured that out yet?)... I don't
know (Pete: they're like worshiping Satan or something,
that's what it is)... this is my point. I apologize. I
apologize (MF: No you don't)... would you let me
finish, why can't you just let me finish one sentence?
I apologize for reading this stuff, but this is the nature
of the media. It is out in the public. It's out there, and
once it's out there and you throw it out there, it's
impossible for anyone to suddenly say 'it doesn't go any
further than here,' now if Curt has a problem, it's with the
other membership and maybe this LJ, the administrator, maybe
it's our LJ (Larry Johnson, MF: 'let's be fa-ya') you
gotta bring your membership in a little bit tighter here so
they don't go and leak it out to the media... they're
letting it get outside the circle (MF: They're violating
the Circle of Trust?) Yeah they are... (SB: Meet the
Parents, MF: There you go, SB: You are outside the Circle)
Exactly (Pete: 'I will take you down, I will take you
down to Chinatown'... SB: Can we start calling Curt
Schilling Panama Red now?) Where's the lie detector
test, bring him in!
SB: But, I don't understand
because we don't have access to the site, is that correct?
We are not members?
GO: Not that I know, I don't
know (Pete: Andy can crack it though)...
SB: So it's a member of the site
that's sending us the stuff. So his issue should then be
whoever's violating... the trust... (laughter busts out
everywhere)...number two (Pete: I can't believe
GO: You know what, you know
what, the nerds are like reeling us in right now. THEY GOT
US. JUST WHERE THEY WANT US. THEY OWN US...
SB: Number two, this all started
with Greg Dickerson, and I saw interview last night, the one
that cause all the furor. I was on the show last night and
they played it, and it wasn't that big a deal, it was just
the usual pabulum that they, and us, and every other station
spits out (GO: Exactly, MF: Yeah, the usual crap) the usual
crap! That's what it was. And if you listen to the
interview, Tanguay was more culpable than Dickerson was...
GO: But everybody hates
Dickerson so he's the target... (MF: Dickerson could say
it's a nice day out and he'd get hate mail) Exactly...
SB: No seriously, that's what
happened in this case (no, because CS responded to the
6:30 show, Dickerson's comments)...
GO: Listen, the whole deal with
Schilling, and we think he's gonna be great in this town, we
think he's going to be a terrific pitcher... (SB: sucking up
to him now, MF: here we go) No, not sucking up to him, I'm
trying to be straight and honest... but if there are people
yesterday that were questioning him, and he even himself has
said 'people don't understand what happened in that
situation,' he's right, because we're all sitting around
here yesterday arguing the point, you were here Felger,
because guess what? We didn't know what had happened. So now
you've got the Sons of Sam Horn members here - (whisper:
Circle of Trust) - and they send over to us, via email,
the copy of his, of his explanation, why wouldn't we give
his explanation? (SB: Ut-oh, here we go), Wouldn't
that be fair to give his explanation on the air? I think it
does him more good than harm does it not?
MF: How do you feel about the
fact that he called you a dope?
GO: I've been called worst, I've
been called worst, trust me I've been called worst, dope is
one of the best things I've been called in the last 10
years... I don't care if he calls me a dope, sometimes I am
MF: But you obviously don't
agree with the point. But he did ask you specifically not to
read it over the air in so many words by his little
qualifier, and you went ahead and did it, so you can
SB: How would you feel Mike if a
player was at his locker and said 'I'll talk to you, you,
and you, but not you, you, and you,'
MF: Yeah that happens doesn't
SB: It never happens because it
never works. Because the three guys who get shut out get the
MF: Yeah, the whole thing I
don't understand anyway, I'm behind in the internet thing, I
GO: Well you gotta catch up
brother. You have no idea who Jessica Simpson is. You have
no idea what the internet is...
MF: No I mean I'm in there a
little bit, but not to this extent...
GO: There's a place for it. And
again, I don't have a problem... if Curt Schilling wants to
go on this site, and he wants to directly deal with Red Sox
fans, I don't have a problem with that. I know some of you
guys would have a problem with it because it's part of your
MF: No I don't care! SB: Doesn't
bother me either...
GO: In some instances I think
he's correct. That when guys are writing columns, and you
guys are doing it, I'm not saying everybody does it,
sometimes stuff is taken out of context. Sometimes you guys
will take a little quote and say 'oh let me write my own
little angle to all this' right? 'yeah, did he really say
that? I don't think so'... and that's what you guys do. And
you do it. Admit it. You do it. Admit it (Brett: Pete's
typing his response right now sfx typing on keyboard)...
so what he thinks is, he can get his entire story out. So
what we did yesterday is simply repeat what was, his version
(MF: I know Big O)... I apologize, again, if it was
something that was illegal, you know, I'll spend my six days
in the can or whatever...
SB: Big O, take the pledge right
now, announce to our listeners that henceforth you will not
read Curt Schilling's missives online because you want to be
in adherence with his wishes...
GO: I can't, I can't do that,
because if somebody sends...
SB: You're gonna turn right
around now and read the next one aren't you?
GO: Now hold on (Pete: did
they break the code yet?) yeah, we're getting the code
broken down... 'the dopes are the guys who run SoSH, that
is... (MF: oh, so it's not you?) I guess not... 'P&G
is Pinsetting and Gutterballs' (MF: What does that mean?
Pete: What is that? Buck? SB: I don't know what that means,
I don't know bowling) a password protected forum...
alright BDD is Boston Dirt Dogs... I like that, have you
seen that site? (MF: uh, not really) good site,
that's a very good site... (Brett: There's a little
catfight going on between the two sites I think... yeah)
Really? Is that what it is?
SB: So when he refers to dopes,
it's not you, it's the other site?...
More rigorous analysis to
follow: The rest of this classic exchange will be
continued over the next week, including Steve/NDBoston's
controversial call... oh, and WEEI never gave out any
passwords, Glenn Ordway explained that they were only joking
around calling members 'nerds/mother's basement' crowd, and
they know the caliber of people who are members and
appreciate the forum ... but you'd only know that if you
listen to the words, not the hysteria.
Fast forward in interview to
answer the password question: "(background: Na-nu Na-nu...
it's not exactly that but it's close... here's Ken in
Quincy, how are you Ken?.... see we're not going to give
them (passwords) away Pete on the air, we're not gonna do
that, because that would not be fair to these people, just
because somebody's ratting them out... go ahead Ken...)"